we're discussing? >> i think there is a big overplay by the democrats on this blaming the republicans if we go over the fiscal cliff. if you look back to 2010, a lot of buttons were pushed and thought it would be blamed on the republicans. short term blame on the republicans, long-term blame on the incumbent in office. >> all i can say, two years, november of 2014, is the next time for an election. 365 times 2, basically. a lot of memory loss there, you know, if both sides dig in. ultimately, president owns whatever happens at this point. >> exactly. in 2014, it's what happens then, not what happens in 2012. >> let's talk about today's ism. oh, my goodness, the low since '09 -- the employment index as you were study, give details. >> lowest in september '09, trending down since april. a lot of these numbers, obviously written off to sandy. but you really have to look. april 12th -- or april of '012, we didn't have a hurricane, it was trending down. is it because employers are nervous about what's going on, the nonsense going on in d.c.